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		<title>By: Jamie Flinchbaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Flinchbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonas, thanks for the comments. I think your line of practice is focused on validity. If people are truly committed to the outcome and the solution, you can be much more confident of it&#039;s success. But it&#039;s impossible to say &quot;we&#039;re 86.553 % committed to the outcome&quot;. It just can&#039;t be measured in a reliable way, so observation and engagement is required to even get a sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonas, thanks for the comments. I think your line of practice is focused on validity. If people are truly committed to the outcome and the solution, you can be much more confident of it&#8217;s success. But it&#8217;s impossible to say &#8220;we&#8217;re 86.553 % committed to the outcome&#8221;. It just can&#8217;t be measured in a reliable way, so observation and engagement is required to even get a sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Holmlund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas Holmlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 05:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I would suggest that companies that choose to do the &quot;easy things&quot; is because the outcome metrics is compatible to their way of reporting and analyzing their projects. Good olÂ´Deming stated &quot;You get what you measure&quot;

I have followed &quot;best in the class&quot; engineers who simply cannot conduct much easier tasks (such as eg. calculations) than faced to during education. Perhaps because there are no &quot;right answer at the end of the book&quot;. On the other hand IÂ´ve seen lots of cases where the average guy outperforms the &quot;best in class&quot;. To my belief it is a living proof of being able to &quot;do the right things&quot; in stead of doing &quot;things right&quot;.

When implementing and working with new processes on the factory floor IÂ´ve used my own set of measurements, the &quot;4C&quot;; Commitment, constructive critisism and constancy. When these 4 (or actually 3) are in balance I know it is successful. You can have commitment, but without the two other C:s you are not going forward and then the implementation has not succeeded. When any implemented project starts getting constructive critisism it is a good sign. That means that the guys have started to think about improvements and that is a good sign of commitment.

These kind of metrics are, of course, hard to put into a bar or pie chart in a Power point presentation. The best way is to show it in &quot;live action&quot; at the Gemba. It has worked a couple of times for me, but trying to reach 100% compability between management and shopfloor is not easy.

Also the &quot;project goal&quot; should be clearly defined. A project without a goal is like going out driving with our car without a destination. You just drive until the tank run dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I would suggest that companies that choose to do the &#8220;easy things&#8221; is because the outcome metrics is compatible to their way of reporting and analyzing their projects. Good olÂ´Deming stated &#8220;You get what you measure&#8221;</p>
<p>I have followed &#8220;best in the class&#8221; engineers who simply cannot conduct much easier tasks (such as eg. calculations) than faced to during education. Perhaps because there are no &#8220;right answer at the end of the book&#8221;. On the other hand IÂ´ve seen lots of cases where the average guy outperforms the &#8220;best in class&#8221;. To my belief it is a living proof of being able to &#8220;do the right things&#8221; in stead of doing &#8220;things right&#8221;.</p>
<p>When implementing and working with new processes on the factory floor IÂ´ve used my own set of measurements, the &#8220;4C&#8221;; Commitment, constructive critisism and constancy. When these 4 (or actually 3) are in balance I know it is successful. You can have commitment, but without the two other C:s you are not going forward and then the implementation has not succeeded. When any implemented project starts getting constructive critisism it is a good sign. That means that the guys have started to think about improvements and that is a good sign of commitment.</p>
<p>These kind of metrics are, of course, hard to put into a bar or pie chart in a Power point presentation. The best way is to show it in &#8220;live action&#8221; at the Gemba. It has worked a couple of times for me, but trying to reach 100% compability between management and shopfloor is not easy.</p>
<p>Also the &#8220;project goal&#8221; should be clearly defined. A project without a goal is like going out driving with our car without a destination. You just drive until the tank run dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Flinchbaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Flinchbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn,

Thanks for the addition. I think that speaks to the problem of reliability versus validity. Fundamentally, those cost dollars are valid. However, it&#039;s not very reliable because so many things can affect it. Many people will then focus back on a reliable success outcome, such as &quot;the software will do what we said it will do&quot; which is highly reliable but isn&#039;t the real goal. Understanding the variables, as you mention, helps us define where on the reliable / valid line we need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn,</p>
<p>Thanks for the addition. I think that speaks to the problem of reliability versus validity. Fundamentally, those cost dollars are valid. However, it&#8217;s not very reliable because so many things can affect it. Many people will then focus back on a reliable success outcome, such as &#8220;the software will do what we said it will do&#8221; which is highly reliable but isn&#8217;t the real goal. Understanding the variables, as you mention, helps us define where on the reliable / valid line we need to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Whitfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Whitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,

So true that testing in the classroom does not guarantee the learned material will be used and implemented â€“ the validation.  Very difficult to measure, therefore something organizations donâ€™t bother with (some donâ€™t even bother with classroom training anymore).  Even on those projects that are relatively easy to check results on, many firms donâ€™t look back and ask, â€œHow did we do?â€  If they did, there is a good chance they would not implement the â€˜next great projectâ€™ until they understood why the â€˜last great projectâ€™ was unsuccessful.

The challenge comes in defining success up front.  Even those projects that appear fairly straightforward â€“ This project will reduce costs by so many dollars, can become convoluted by changing economics and market conditions.  For example, I submit a project to reduce costs in an area over the next year, but 6 months in, a new market opportunity develops in that area, and to meet it, I add resources and costs.  The project may have allowed me to minimize the additional resources, but on an absolute level, my costs went up.  If I defined success as a reduction in costs in that area, the project was, by definition, a failure.

That doesnâ€™t mean we shouldnâ€™t attempt to define success up front, but we do need to keep in mind the number of variables that can affect our definition.

Great Thoughts!

Glenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>So true that testing in the classroom does not guarantee the learned material will be used and implemented â€“ the validation.  Very difficult to measure, therefore something organizations donâ€™t bother with (some donâ€™t even bother with classroom training anymore).  Even on those projects that are relatively easy to check results on, many firms donâ€™t look back and ask, â€œHow did we do?â€  If they did, there is a good chance they would not implement the â€˜next great projectâ€™ until they understood why the â€˜last great projectâ€™ was unsuccessful.</p>
<p>The challenge comes in defining success up front.  Even those projects that appear fairly straightforward â€“ This project will reduce costs by so many dollars, can become convoluted by changing economics and market conditions.  For example, I submit a project to reduce costs in an area over the next year, but 6 months in, a new market opportunity develops in that area, and to meet it, I add resources and costs.  The project may have allowed me to minimize the additional resources, but on an absolute level, my costs went up.  If I defined success as a reduction in costs in that area, the project was, by definition, a failure.</p>
<p>That doesnâ€™t mean we shouldnâ€™t attempt to define success up front, but we do need to keep in mind the number of variables that can affect our definition.</p>
<p>Great Thoughts!</p>
<p>Glenn</p>
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